imagines ([personal profile] imagines) wrote2011-02-26 10:07 am
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Out of curiosity... [go go fandom history!]

[I'mma make this one public 'cause why the hell not. Do what you will.]

Who else remembers the terms "lemon" and "lime" as applied to fanfic content? (A "lemon" being a story including graphic sex scenes; a "lime" being the fade-to-black sort where you know it happened but the story doesn't describe it. At least that was how I used the words.)

I recently received a review on an ancient Yuugiou fic of mine, and the reviewer asked for a lemon, which surprised me. I think "lime" and "lemon" were (are?) more widely used in anime fandom than elsewhere, but I haven't seen them used at ALL in recent years. Labeling terminology seems to have switched almost entirely to the blunter "smut," "porn," "PWP," or the like. Why is that?

From personal anecdata alone: I accepted the fact that I like to read stories with sex in; from then on, I had no reason to talk about it without TALKING ABOUT IT.

I entered fandom while A) crazy shy and B) underage. My fandom dialect included quite a few euphemisms because blatant enjoying-of-sex-scenes Was Not Done. Or rather, it was done ALL OVER THE PLACE, but one didn't talk about it. (The whole "underage people reading explicit fic" thing is a post for another day, but oh, have I got Thoughts on Yaoi. ...*rimshot*)

As I got older, I got more comfortable with sexuality in general, and now I don't dodge away from saying "Here is a fic with porn in!" when that is what it IS. In terms of my behavior in fandom, I don't consider it shameful or something to be kept secret. I like reading it. [General you] like reading it. For the most part, it's not hidden anymore.

Perhaps I'm completely off-base, though! Like I said, I only rarely saw "lemon" and "lime" being used outside of anime fandom. Because I'm no longer in anime fandoms--and no longer a young teenager--I don't know what words the people in those age+fandom groups use now. Comparing my current fandom experience to the ones I sort of "grew up in," it's a vastly different culture.

So, this change in fic-labeling: how much of it is age differences, how much of it is fandom differences, and how much is something I'm sure I'm not thinking of?

[eta: It occurs to me another difference is where the story is posted! The fic that got the "lemon?" review was posted on FFnet, which doesn't allow that sort of thing at ALL. On LJ, though, we CAN outright write, read, ask for, and receive fics with pretty much any content we want.]

And which of you DO remember "lemon" and "lime"? :p

[identity profile] 2011-02-26 05:18 pm (UTC)(link)
pfff oh man, I remember those words. and "kumquat" occasionally...

[identity profile] 2011-02-26 05:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Kumquat?! That is a new one to me. What on earth is it? A very short PWP?

[identity profile] 2011-02-26 05:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I have no idea!! I remember thinking, "Well, if kumquats are orange..." and still not really understanding. This was eons ago, in internet history. THE AGE OF GUNDAM WING AC FANDOM!

[identity profile] 2011-02-26 05:55 pm (UTC)(link)
OH GOD, GUNDAM WING FANDOM. My first-ever squick was from there, back in the days when I thought slash was icky. It still makes me wince a little to recall.

[identity profile] 2011-02-27 01:43 am (UTC)(link)
That must have been a joke, right? Someone mocking the stupid citrus terms?
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[personal profile] eppy 2011-02-27 01:47 am (UTC)(link)
kumquat what...
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[identity profile] 2011-02-26 07:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Me! I remember! I never wrote one, but I read a few.

[identity profile] 2011-02-26 07:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Lemon and lime
Lemon features explicit sex stories, and they sometimes fall under the broader PWP distinction (see above). The name derives from a term which comes from a Japanese slang term for "sexy" that itself derives from an early pornographic anime series called Cream Lemon. The term lime denotes a story that has sexual themes but is not necessarily explicit.

[identity profile] 2011-02-26 09:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh my god I remember those. I was so underage when I first started reading them too ajdhgljsagd I distinctly remember one time when I was co-writing one with a friend, and this other guy was like "you're too young to even be reading lemons, yet alone write them".

iirc they were used liberally in Ranma 1/2 fandom, alongside the term WAFF which I never ever see used anymore. Now it's just like... fluff. NOSTALGIAAAA

[identity profile] 2011-02-26 10:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I remember lemons and limes well, because I was reading DBZ fic while REAAAAAALLY underage. I think I went back to read some a few years later and then realized how badly they were written. Though it's funny because I've been poking around Sailor Moon fandom these days and I haven't seen those terms used for fic anymore. Maybe it marched on?

[identity profile] 2011-02-26 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)
oh wow. I totally forgot about "lemon" and "lime". I too was an underage reader in anime fandoms (DBZ fandom represent?) I...every few months I'll go back to ffnet's dbz section and just check to make sure the fics are still there, even if I can't bring myself to read them
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[personal profile] kuiskata 2011-02-27 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, wow, that brings me back. Yet another underage reader here. (I think most of us were, quite frankly. It was Not Talked About until we reached high school, though. We were still underage at that point, mind you.)

Every so often I do encounter them, almost exclusively in anime fandom. (Not much in anime fandom anymore, but I've just finished a rewatch of CardCaptor Sakura and I want Touya/Yukito fic...)

[identity profile] 2011-02-27 01:16 am (UTC)(link)
I remember lemons and limes! They were mostly in summaries for Kingdom Hearts fics, if I remember correctly, because I wasn't really into anime at the time I first started reading (when I was also hideously underage, of course). I think yaoi is still a very anime/video game term, and slash is more for things with real people in, but I have seen them interchanged, so maybe there's a mixing of fandom terms around.

[identity profile] 2011-02-27 01:42 am (UTC)(link)
I was kind of taken aback when my grandpa referred to an irreparable vehicle as "a lemon." I'd only heard the slash term, and I was pretty sure that wasn't what he meant. (He also referred to getting drunk as "getting stoned." Ah, how slang changes.) But yeah, I haven't heard or used it since I made the switch from to LJ at the beginning of 2003.
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[identity profile] 2011-02-27 05:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Ahahaha, that's great! I think I vaguely recall a similar mix up somewhere in my own experience.

Oh, Fandom. How you change our thought-patterns and brain processes... :D
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[personal profile] eppy 2011-02-27 01:48 am (UTC)(link)
Wow this is a blast from the past. I remember seeing these labels on Yu Yu Hakusho porn (LOL FANDOM OF MY CHILDHOOD, HOW I LOVED THEE) when I was superunderage and still got all awkward and blushed when I was reading things. I never remember seeing them anywhere else, but then again, I wasn't exactly looking around any other fandoms than Yu Yu Hakusho and Sailor Moon at the time, so.

[identity profile] 2011-02-27 11:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I remember those! I've never seen them outside of but back when I used to spend time there (seven, eight years ago?) they were pretty common.

Also saw orange. Never really figured out what that was supposed to be.